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Sunday, August 25, 2024

A Journal Journey with Brad Jersak’s “Different” Jesus – Day 87

 

Examining "A More Christlike Word" by Brad Jersak

Day 87

“For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.” (Paul’s concern from 2 Corinthians 11:4)

The False Filter

The Biblical Filter

The word OR the Word

The Word THROUGH the word

  

The purpose of the BJs’ writings is to demoralize people’s faith in the authority of Scripture as the breathed-out words of God. They continue the serpent’s question in the garden, “Did God actually say…?” to replace what God said with what the “evil people and imposters” are peddling for unjust gain.

   Ending the Rhetoric on Rhetoric (p. 227ff)

   I have some very good news. I just skimmed the whole section on rhetoric from pages 227-236 and I do NOT need to comment on everything he claims there. Why? Because telling us how ancient worldlings used rhetoric does not dictate how Jesus and the apostles used it.

   However, because BJ is using his teaching on rhetoric to dismiss what Paul says in the passage in II Thessalonians 1:3-10, before we look at what Paul said, let’s challenge what BJ is claiming about rhetoric to make sure that when we read Paul’s words, we are receiving them as the breathed-out words of God, not the not-literal rhetoric of the BJs.

BJ’s Claim

Monte’s Response

“Now if Paul elsewhere overrides the language of retributive violence with Christ’s call to patiently endure and forgive persecutors (as he had been forgiven!), why appropriate this retribution rhetoric at all? Retributive ‘rhetoric’ – yes, that is our first clue” (p. 227).

No, Paul did NOT override God’s call to judgment in other places. We already saw that this claim was bogus.

Plus Jesus NEVER has called us to “forgive persecutors”. Go ahead, show me the verse speaking of “persecutors” where Jesus taught us to forgive them.

And I’m already challenging the “clue” that calling something “rhetoric” changes the meaning of what is written in God’s word. Bogusness. And no rhetoric can change what that means!

   I need to interject here that BJ is already twisting what “rhetoric” means to suit his agenda, so let’s look at what rhetoric means and how BJ distorts it.

BJ’s Claim

Monte’s Response

BJ’s definition of “rhetoric”.

“‘Rhetoric’ refers to the art of persuasion used in speeches or sermons – methods that orators and preachers apply as they seek to change minds, hearts, and behavior” (p. 228).

If that is the definition, it has no bearing on whether or not the person is telling the truth. It refers to the stylistic devices used to make a view persuasive to the hearers. It is not inherently true or false, but a description of how a person communicates their message.

 

BJ’s Claim

Monte’s Response

“Rhetoric is for those who don’t say what they mean or mean what they say” (p. 228).

We are again back in the “Says Who?!” department.

This is actually bogus. Rhetoric cannot assess whether the person meant what they said or said what they meant. It looks at what stylistic devices were used to be persuasive. Just because a writer takes time to pick words and phrases already known and accepted by his readers does not mean he is being false in what he is saying. When Paul spoke to the Greeks through his understanding of Greek culture and thinking, and spoke to Jews through Jewish culture and thinking, he was telling everyone the same things, but using rhetorical connections that the different groups would attach to more easily. To suggest that if Paul used rhetorical language it meant that he didn’t mean what he wrote is to be dishonest and deceptive once again.

   I skimmed through his explanations of what rhetoric includes because it’s just explaining what rhetoric is as understood by others but says nothing about how Jesus and the apostles used rhetoric themselves. However, I could only get to page 233 before I need to point out another bogus claim.

BJ’s Claim

Monte’s Response

“Knowing the types of rhetoric the apostles used helps us distinguish between calculated emotional appeals and basic instruction” (p. 233).

Bogus.

No, you do NOT know what types of rhetoric the apostles used, or whether something they did that fits the boxes of rhetorical speech were the same as what they were doing with their expressions. Who knows if they were or weren’t, my point is only that the claim that BJ knows is false. He doesn’t.

And how he tries to write off the letters to the churches as studies in rhetoric is totally bogus as well. He only wants to continue his question of, “Did God actually say…?” and now uses his understanding of rhetoric to claim that God’s word doesn’t mean what it says.

 

BJ’s Claim

Monte’s Response

“That’s the power of Spirit-filled rhetoric. That’s the nature of the New Testament Epistles” (p. 235).

BJ has no authority to say that someone’s message was “Spirit-filled rhetoric”, but I am in no place to judge if someone else was Spirit-filled either!

However, it is dishonest and deceptive to then throw in the conclusion that the New Testament Epistles were built around rhetoric when no such evidence has been shown.

 

BJ’s Claim

Monte’s Response

“Since they do, we are expected to recognize the rhetoric (just as we are meant to recognize poetry, parables, or symbolic visions) and understand the flattery, threats, or pathos at some level as nonliteral, while not dismissing their important meaning as ‘empty’” (p. 236).

SOOOO… BOGUS!!!

First of all, it is only subjective to read in whether we think an author was using rhetoric in any particular way.

Second, it is a BJ-centered assumption that “they do” (use rhetoric in the way he claims) and that we “are expected” to “recognize” it.

Third, rhetoric does NOT require treating what is spoken “at some level as nonliteral”. This is a BJ insertion that is NOT part of rhetoric.  

   This section on rhetoric is one more bogus claim by BJ to make it appear that something in the Bible he doesn’t like could be taken another way than what is written. My contention is that using rhetoric would not make something “nonliteral”. Rhetoric is aimed at persuasive communication, but that does not mean Paul is a corrupt politician saying whatever he needs to say to get votes. The apostles were not communicating to persuade people of things that were not true. So the idea that if we can box a certain aspect of a letter into something that matches a rhetorical focus that must mean that part of Paul’s letter wasn’t literal is not necessary to rhetoric. There would need to be some other reason to think that Paul didn’t say what he meant or mean what he said.

   Now, to try to keep this objective, I am looking at the definitions of rhetoric that come up on a search right from my Word document. Here they are:

1.     “Rhetoric is the language you use to communicate your writing’s core message.” “Rhetoric is language that’s carefully constructed to persuade, motivate, or inform the reader or listener about the speaker or writer’s position.” (Grammarly)[1]

2.    “speech or writing intended to be effective and influence people:” (Cambridge Dictionary)[2]

3.    “speech or writing that is effective and persuasive.” (American Dictionary)[3]

4.    “Rhetoric is the art of persuasion through communication. It is a form of discourse that appeals to people’s emotions and logic to motivate or inform. The word ‘rhetoric’ comes from the Latin ‘rhetorica,’ which comes from the Greek ‘rhetorikos,’ meaning ‘oratory.’” (Masterclass)[4]

5.    “Rhetoric (/ˈrɛtərɪk/) is the art of persuasion. It is one of the three ancient arts of discourse (trivium) along with grammar and logic/dialectic. As an academic discipline within the humanities, rhetoric aims to study the techniques that speakers or writers use to inform, persuade, and motivate their audiences.[1] Rhetoric also provides heuristics for understanding, discovering, and developing arguments for particular situations. (Wikipedia)[5]

   I hope we can see that rhetoric is about how to communicate persuasively. As one who is obviously trying to communicate persuasively to get people to turn from Brad Jersak’s false teachings, I can say that I have never studied rhetoric as a way to persuade people. I live by Jesus’ words that his sheep will hear his voice and follow him, so I just want to tell people about Jesus, and about my love for the breathed-out words of God in Scripture. If anyone sees facets of rhetoric in this, it does not mean I tried to use them. 

   The bottom line is that even if Jesus and the apostles did follow what was understood as rhetoric back in the day (it dangers on the subjective for anyone to claim they know exactly how often or how strongly), using rhetoric does not mean someone’s teaching is non-literal. And, as I showed in the last two or three days of Journal journeys, it is very clear even in Jesus’ parables when he moves from the allegorical illustration to the real-life application.  

   So, with this clarified that BJ is being dishonest to suggest that using rhetoric implies a non-literal meaning to what is written in Scripture, I’m going to go back to the passage that BJ claims was rhetoric and look at it the way it is written. I will begin by considering it the breathed-out words of God written down by a man who did not pen II Thessalonians by his own will, but was carried along by the Holy Spirit to write down God’s words. These words as designed by God to teach us, reprove us, correct us, and train us in righteousness, and I am going to examine them with that expectation.

   It should be noted that, with a biblical view of inspiration, since the words of Scripture are breathed out by God, BJ must add God to his list of persons he is accusing of relying on his version of rhetorical speech when God is the perfection of communication and would NEVER say something he didn’t mean or mean something he didn’t say!

   I need to interject something. I just realized that, although BJ spent considerable pages telling us about the use of rhetorical devices throughout the centuries, he never did address what Paul said in this text! He showed the readers the text, and, without dealing with anything Paul said, spent so many pages talking about rhetoric as if he was proving what Paul said about God’s judgment on sinners must be taken as “non-literal” simply because some people see rhetoric in what Paul wrote. However, since rhetoric is simply referring to the study or art of persuasive language, all we can accuse Paul of is trying to be persuasive in communicating the gospel and discipling the church, something against which there is no law!

   II Thessalonians 1:3-10 (NASB).[6]

II Thessalonians 1:3

Monte’s Response

We ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers and sisters, as is only fitting, because your faith is increasing abundantly, and the love of each and every one of you toward one another grows ever greater.

I’m not testing for rhetorical devices or how this fits the various facets of what is understood as rhetoric. I’m only looking for any sign that Paul is using some figure of speech that would make what he says “non-literal”. This is the claim of the BJs, that God’s word cannot be taken literally (that it says what it means and means what it says).

For this verse, I can only say that I hope BJ does NOT think Paul is being non-literal about his thankfulness for how the believers are growing in their faith and their love.

 

II Thessalonians 1:4

Monte’s Response

As a result, we ourselves speak proudly of you among the churches of God for your perseverance and faith in the midst of all your persecutions and afflictions which you endure.

I also hope BJ is not twisting what was happening to the early Christians as if their persecutions and afflictions were non-literal just because Paul's personableness in speaking with the Thessalonians might fit some aspect of rhetoric. I contend that Paul is writing from his heart as carried along by the Spirit so that he is expressing what the Spirit is leading him to express of himself in genuine love and concern for the churches in what they truly are facing of trials and tribulations. Nothing about this smacks of being non-literal. It is real life through and through.

 

II Thessalonians 1:5

Monte’s Response

This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you indeed are suffering.

Hmmm… it appears that even God likes the “plain” reading of Scripture!!!

What Paul is introducing is that “God’s righteous judgment” is at work the same way we have seen it all through the Scriptures. This righteous judgment of God is using the present sufferings to prepare them for the return of Christ where “mercy triumphs over judgment” for the believer, and the persecutions and afflictions are being noted by God to be avenged on the unbelievers before the Great White Throne of Jesus Christ.[7]

 

II Thessalonians 1:6

Monte’s Response

For after all it is only right for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you,

ESV: “since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you,”

God himself considers it “right” or “just” to repay the unrepentant with the same afflictions they afflicted on God’s people. That is EXACTLY what we see throughout Scripture. It is God’s justice. His judgment against sinners is always holding hands with his mercy towards the repentant. BJ so desperately wants us to believe his “did God actually say…?”, but what Paul is saying here is so similar to what we see in the Hebrew Scriptures Jesus and the apostles endorsed that there is no way we should be believing the BJs that cherry-picking rhetorical devices somehow turns the clear and plain reading of the text into something non-literal that can be explained away. I know God’s word says these deceivers will keep on deceiving and being deceived, but it raises the hair on the back of my neck (anyone want to tell me what rhetorical device I just used) to see these evil men and imposters making good money (or is it bad) peddling their version of the poison-in-the-pudding (there’s another one) words of God.

 

II Thessalonians 1:7-8

Monte’s Response

and to give relief to you who are afflicted, along with us, when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire,

This also is completely consistent with the way God’s justice is pictured throughout the Hebrew Scriptures. The same pillar of cloud and fire that destroyed the Egyptians gave relief to the people of God who had been afflicted by the Egyptians. It is the way of God. And it is so clearly stated here that there is no possible way that a rhetorical device magically turns these words non-literal.

I would also question whether the use of the expression “repay with affliction” in the previous verse is non-literal merely because it supports God’s judgment against sinners while the word “give relief” (yes, one word in the Greek) is literal since it is a positive word towards the saints.

I would also hope that Paul’s talk about Jesus being revealed from heaven is not non-literal, since it is the hope of the church, “our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:13).

And we can’t write off his mention of “His mighty angels in flaming fire” since that is what Jesus himself said, “Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other” (Matthew 24:30-31).

So far, Paul is teaching us through his letter to the Thessalonians how to think about our seasons of persecution and affliction. As Asaph in Psalm 73 went into the sanctuary and got alone with God so he remembered the final destiny of the wicked, so Paul is reminding God’s people of the church that God is just, and he will most certainly carry out his judgment on their persecutors, saving some because of the judgment already poured out on his Son, and letting others bear his justice against them as they have chosen. But there is nothing non-literal about the return of Jesus Christ our Lord to judge the lost and gather his elect to himself forever.

 

II Thessalonians 1:8

Monte’s Response

dealing out retribution to those who do not know God, and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

“dealing out” is “inflicting” in the ESV. It means “to give (make) v. — to cause to happen or be responsible for” (BSL). Oh my, “Houston, we have a problem!” God breathed out a word that makes HIM responsible for RETRIBUTION!!!

And “retribution” (“vengeance” ESV) means, “righteous punishment n. — the disadvantageous or painful consequences of a failure to keep some moral standard; especially as a failure to keep God’s moral requirements” (BSL). What is amazing is that this is EXACTLY what God already said about himself, “Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, ‘Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord’” (Romans 12:19 with a direct quote from (drum roll please)… DEUTERONOMY!!!).

So, what Paul says here in II Thessalonians 1:8 is the same as what he said in Romans 12:19 which is the same as what God said in Deuteronomy 32:35 and yet BJ wants us to believe Paul was borrowing from contemporary oratory styles to say something in such clear words that BJ can tell us is non-literal because he doesn’t like it that God judges sinners?!

I feel like pleading with you, the reader, to look at this for yourself and see where Paul is saying ANYTHING that doesn’t match what is written from one end of Scripture to the other. And if you have a problem with a “just” God, how do you explain how a holy and righteous God can be sovereign over a universe, and specifically over the kingdom of heaven, when he never carries out justice against sin or sinners! How exactly does this work?

 

II Thessalonians 1:9

Monte’s Response

These people will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

ESV: They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,

“Pay” or “suffer” means, “to bear pay v. to bear (a cost or penalty), in recompense for some action; conceived of as giving money (to discharge a debt)” (BSL). There is nothing non-literal about speaking of someone who did the crime doing the time. There is payment in justice. And all the believers Paul was writing to understood that the only reason they were right with God was because Jesus already made this payment, that notoriously wonderful aspect of the good news that the BJs do NOT want people to know! They must deny that there is a payment for sin because they cannot entertain that God so loved the world that he sent his only Son into the world, giving us his Son as the propitiation for our sin, so that whoever believes in Jesus will not perish (make the payment), but will receive the free gift of God, eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord!

“Penalty” or “punishment” means, “righteous punishment n. — the disadvantageous or painful consequences of a failure to keep some moral standard; especially as a failure to keep God’s moral requirements” (BSL). While we have switched from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant, nothing has changed about God’s justice. The New Covenant changes how we are made right with God, but the penalty of sin must be paid, either by Jesus Christ on the cross, or by sinners in the judgment.

“Eternal destruction” is in both translations. “Destruction” means, “ruin (worthlessness) n. — an event or act that results in destruction; especially the loss of all that gives worth to existence” (BSL). This is nothing new. God destroying his unrepentant enemies (don’t forget he showed mercy to repentant enemies) is all through the Scriptures, even in Jesus’ teachings.

Could I just interject that, in almost 21 years of working with my wife in a family daycare, kids are QUICK to figure out when parents do not mean what they say. The children who know their parents don’t really mean the consequence that is described have no respect for their parents warning them about consequences. The children who know the consequences described are real have healthy and loving respect for their parents being the parents.

So too, for someone like BJ to claim that every reference in the Bible to God’s judgment against sinners does not mean what it says is not only ludicrous in itself (they can’t all be explained away), but the chaos we have seen with parents and children in such permissiveness would utterly destroy societies (the earthly kingdom of God included) at the “Lord of the Flies” level of disaster.

The unrepentant persecutors and afflicters of God’s people will suffer their judgment “away from” God’s “presence”. The words used here mean, “presence face n. the presence or proximity of someone understood in terms of the face; with the implication of being before or in front of them” and “face of God n. — the face of God understood as being in the presence of the full manifestation of the nature and glory of God” (BSL).

People, what we look forward to as the children of God is that day “when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is” (I John 3:2). We shall see him “face to face”! And live! But this is in the context that those who have hated God and his people are “away” from the face of the Lord our God and never see the wonders of what we get to enjoy for eternity.

Which reminds me of how this is already contrasted in the present time. For unbelievers, God says, “In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God” (II Corinthians 4:4). In other words, unbelievers do not see the face of God now because Satan has blinded them, and Paul says that the unrepentant and unbelieving persecutors and abusers of God’s children will be taken away from God’s face and will never live in the light of his glorious countenance.

On the other hand, for believers God says, “For God, who said, ‘Let light shine out of darkness,’ has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ” (II Corinthians 4:6). By faith, we already have a sense that we see the face of our Savior. But in the judgment, we will be taken into the presence of our Savior forever where we will see the glory of God on the face of Jesus Christ FOREVER!

And I say all these superlatively wonderful things because God has SAVED US from the judgment to come and assures us that he will take care of us now, and take care of our persecutors later, because he is the same yesterday, today, and forever!

And one more thing, “the glory of his power (might)”. Believers will see the glory of the power of God in heaven, the power Paul prayed we would have a growing understanding of in this lifetime. In the meantime, Paul assures us that God is working all our persecutions and afflictions together for good while preparing sinners for the judgment of God against their sin.

And there is absolutely NOTHING non-literal about ANY of that.

 

II Thessalonians 1:10

Monte’s Response

when He comes to be glorified among His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—because our testimony to you was believed.

I love this. Paul makes sure to not even complete a sentence so BJ cannot make this two opposing thoughts. Not even the BJs can say that he speaks of the judgment on the lost as non-literal but then, oh lookey what he does for the saints for real!

Now, on an illustrative viewpoint along the garden path, we recently found some LP records and a player at a garage sale and were just laughing this morning in home church that we can once again use the imagery of a broken record! Yeeha!!!

Anyway, I know I’m being a broken record about this (repeating myself, to explain the metaphor), but this is nothing new for God to breathe out a picture of his blessings on the saints right alongside his judgment on sinners. He saved Noah and destroyed the world. He saved Lot and destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. He saved Israel and destroyed Egypt. He saved Rahab and destroyed Achan. He saved Mordecai and destroyed Haman. He blessed Barnabas and put Ananias and Sapphira to death. In fact, he condemned the sinful man of Corinth in I Corinthians 5 and then called for forgiveness because of his repentance in II Corinthians 2.

My point is that there is nothing surprising about Paul interweaving God’s judgment on the lost with his mercies towards his people. He WILL be “glorified” among us who believe at the same time as he is glorified in purging from the world all the evil people who died unrepentant in their sin.

My contention (only because I believe it is a true and sincere summary of Scripture) is that it is only “His saints” who can stand in his glory. It is only “His saints” who can marvel at our God’s glory without dying. Unredeemed sinners could never see God glorified in their midst (think Mt. Sinai). So they must be utterly removed from the scene to leave the redeemed free to marvel at the glory of God without fear or fault.

   I encourage readers to do your own research of reputable commentaries and look at how clear it is what Paul is teaching here. BJ is absolutely “deceiving and being deceived” to think that he can erase all this amazing encouragement to believers by cherry-picking which parts are non-literal because he decided Paul is using rhetoric (which doesn’t even mean non-literal!).

   I include this article from Got Questions Ministry, What is rhetorical criticism?[8] And this one, What does it mean when God says, “Vengeance is mine” (Romans 12:19)?[9]

   My conclusion is that BJ continues to bat 0 (zero) in his handling of Scripture. It is totally subjective to look at what Paul wrote by divine inspiration and claim that Greek or Roman oratory is more influential in interpreting what he was trying to say than simply taking him to mean the same thing that is stated all through Scripture from beginning to end.

   Now, in case anyone thinks I am being flippant about God’s judgment against sinners, that is not the case. This is about how people handle the word of God. I contend that we glorify God for his justice in both its judgment and mercy, and that we rightly handle God’s word because it is the word of life. If we let the BJs tamper with it, people never hear the good news of great joy that we have a Savior, and so they will be horrified to find themselves facing divine judgment that the BJs said was non-literal.

   I know I will not stop prophecy from being fulfilled. Evil men and imposters like BJ will go from bad to worse, deceiving AND being deceived. I simply call people to delight in God’s word as his manual for life until Jesus’ return. BJ is not the authority over God’s word, and God’s authority in his word convicts BJ as a false teacher. Someone who knows him should warn him (although he keeps telling us people have already tried).

 

 

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Unless otherwise noted, Scriptures are from the English Standard Version (The Holy Bible, English Standard Version. ESV® Text Edition: 2016. Copyright © 2001 by Crossway Bibles, a publishing ministry of Good News Publishers.)

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Jersak, Bradley. A More Christlike Word: Reading Scripture the Emmaus Way. Whitaker House. Kindle Edition.

Definitions from the Bible Sense Lexicon (BSL) in Logos Bible Systems

 


 

 

 

 



[6] New American Standard Bible®, Copyright © 1960, 1971, 1977, 1995, 2020 by The Lockman Foundation. All rights reserved.

[7] Your enduring these tribulations is a “token of the righteous judgment of God,” manifested in your being enabled to endure them, and in your adversaries thereby filling up the measure of their guilt. The judgment is even now begun, but its consummation will be at the Lord’s coming. David (Ps 73:1–14) and Jeremiah (Je 12:1–4) were perplexed at the wicked prospering and the godly suffering. But Paul, by the light of the New Testament, makes this fact a matter of consolation. It is a proof (so the Greek) of the future judgment, which will set to rights the anomalies of the present state, by rewarding the now suffering saint, and by punishing the persecutor. And even now “the Judge of all the earth does right” (Ge 18:25); for the godly are in themselves sinful and need chastisement to amend them. What they suffer unjustly at the hands of cruel men they suffer justly at the hands of God; and they have their evil things here that they may escape condemnation with the world and have their good things hereafter (Lu 16:25; 1 Co 11:32) [EDMUNDS].

 

Jamieson, R., Fausset, A. R., & Brown, D. (1997). Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (Vol. 2, p. 394). Logos Research Systems, Inc.

[9] What does it mean when God says, “Vengeance is mine” (Romans 12:19)?

https://www.gotquestions.org/vengeance-is-mine.html

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